well isn't this next level bullshit

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also whenever i say no it just redirects me to another subdomain and asks again

folks! spare me the takes on how the web is ruined and back in your day all you had was tables and you were perfectly happy

it's clear to me that they don't care about stopping bots, they're just trying to get notifications permissions, probably so they can send some notifications later that look like facebook or gmail and trick people into giving up their passwords

@codl the next logical step: "to prove you're human please provide root access to your computer"

@codl (and we'll only get there because the W3C will never get the Web Blood Test standard in time)

@espectalll @codl could literally happen: use your digit reader to prove you're a human
those come bundled with many laptops (and microsoft requires it for some features of the partners program, like printing your certificates)

@efi @codl that already exists, it's called WebAuthn - except they don't get to see your fingerprint

@codl I remember times when sites actually competed for making it for readers *easier* to get to their content. Nowadays it's clear their purpose has changed.

@codl I think we should "allow" that it is (next level BS).

@codl Hmmmm, I know perfectly well how to get a robot to pass this test. Build a chromeless web browser!

Though just putting any required JS in the page would warrant such measures. And all that really matters is you trip up most (simpler) bots.

@codl I really, really, really don't miss working on web browsers. SO MANY conversations about issues like this while developing features that require permission gating, and no real great answers.

@codl Wow, that's like the darkest of dark UI patterns...

@codl where tf have they done that and why aren't them in jail already

@codl No need to protect scum. Do tell who does stuff like that

@codl I saw one of these pretending to be recaptcha a few days ago. it was awful.

@codl the "redirect to a new subdomain" thing is wild, too

The first thing I do when setting up Firefox on a new machine is: Preferences -> Privacy and Security -> Permissions -> Block New Requests to access Location / Camera / Microphone / Notifications.

I can't imagine why anyone except advertising networks would want them set differently.

@codl This probably wont prevent bots on the internet I guess.

@codl Hmm. Lest stuff like this become universal:

Could a browser extension be made to spoof the state of a browser's notification permissions? (Like, a real config file and a separate, web-facing config file?)

Could JS-generated notifications be easily permitted in-browser but blocked by the OS without losing locally-generated notifications (eg. "download complete" etc.)?

Could we just use the presence of, superfluous commas to detect malicious websites?

@efi a virus that redirects all your websites to that page and then asks for permission to send notifications?

@ben I thought it was a website asking for permission, not a redirection, let me read it again

@ben oh, it -can- be a virus or it can just be a webpage with an ad that loads the same page the virus redirects to

@codl That site belongs on a browser blocklist for malicious behaviour, would you have the bandwidth to suggest it to (ew) Google or Mozilla?

@codl ah yes, i remember that one, are they thinking we are dumbasses that can fool us like that?

@codl that's an excellent way for people to make sure I never visit their website :)

It's bs indeed. If you don't want to see that sort of crap follow this thread, I hope it will work for you.

@codl I wonder what happens if you have the browser properly configured so that it can't even ask about notifications?

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