tbh, the big reason why i miss IRC

is cuz the moderation tools were just so satisfying to use

@tinytoydragon I refuse to let go of IRC myself. I am just waiting for when Discord goes full Skype mode (and probably Telegram and anything else anybody uses) -- can't trust Corporations to run anything right, sooner or later it all becomes money first, quality never.

@lyskar oh, lyskar, it's gonna go eventually.

they used to advertise that they log everythingwhen they first started

it's been obvious since it's inception where it's gonna go

they just found some ways to profit from it first before they sell it off...

@lyskar "The instant chat of skype/IRC, with the permanence of a forum!"


@tinytoydragon @lyskar
1998: IRC? lol anon, why don't you use ICQ instead, it's much better.
2002: IRC? lol anon, just install MSN, stop being such a nerd.
2006: IRC? lol anon, with Skype you can make phone calls for free.
2010: IRC? lol anon, Chat is all you need, everybody is there already.
2014: IRC? lol anon, you should try WhatsApp, you can even send voice messages.
2018: IRC? lol anon, that's prehistoric! you should checkout Discord and Slack, so much better.

@faoluin @tinytoydragon @lyskar coo thing about irc is that the same friends hang around that were there in the beginnings :)

@jeremiah @faoluin @tinytoydragon @lyskar
IRC can federate?
Last time I checked the only way to connect two servers is absolute trust, your admins are my admins...

@lord obviously, but @jeremiah used the word "federate" so I'm asking what he meant by that

@wolf480pl @lord I'm not @jeremiah but IRC is technically federated, but how closely or loosely federated each network is can vary greatly. Drew DeVault has a blog post on the topic. drewdevault.com/2021/07/03/How

@faoluin @lord @jeremiah Drew has a very fuzzy and imprecise definition of federation

@wolf480pl @lord @jeremiah It's not really an exact term. :P Compared to ActivityPub, IRC looks like it doesn't federate at all. But you'd be grading it by ActivityPub standards.

@faoluin @lord @jeremiah
Yeah but email, XMPP, etc. are federated by APub standard and APub is federated by email standard, etc. IRC is not federated compared to any of those.

@wolf480pl @lord @jeremiah DeVault's post goes into exactly this difference - open federation (which is what those are) versus closed federation (which is what IRC is).

@faoluin @wolf480pl @jeremiah irc doesn't really federate. It's more a way of providing an high availability system than anything else.

@jeremiah @lord @faoluin without this "autism", you wouldn't have computers because engineers wouldn't be able to communicate precisely by using field-specific terminology

@tinytoydragon @lyskar Wow this blew up.

Not sure on the origin of this quote, but I initially found it on Encyclopedia Dramatica and later on the Gentoo wiki. It's a real gem. :blobfox3c:

@faoluin @tinytoydragon @lyskar I keep my IRC client active, there's a few groups still on it, but most of my communities have moved to Discord. why would I sit in an empty IRC channel when the people aren't even there? Yes, IRC is eternal, but it's currently on a Wane cycle

@hyratel @tinytoydragon @lyskar Depends on the groups. Plenty of open source projects still host on Freenode, and from an ideology standpoint most of them prefer to stick with platforms that align with their values. Discord usually isn't on that list.

@faoluin @tinytoydragon @lyskar I mean, I don't DISagree. but there's times when the options are
- bite the bullet and use the Popular Service even if it misaligns with your Values
- sit and stew in your own isolation

@hyratel @tinytoydragon @lyskar Indeed. I hate the lack of choice and interoperability though. :(

@hyratel @faoluin @lyskar I use discord. I help manage a few communities in it.

I hate it. The tools suck, the permissions system constantly breaks, like, allowing folks to see and talk in channels they shouldn't have access to.

Having to create an entire role to have certain folks limited to a single channel sucks

But for the moment, it IS the easiest way to get folks to use a community. For now.

Looking forwards to alternatives to catch up :)

@tinytoydragon @faoluin @lyskar yeah but then you have to deal with community fragmentation and inertia, as well as the fact that many game servers are Official and have Devs/Moderators/Other Staff of the relevant game/software house in-server, and that's One More Thing that they would have to deal with too

@faoluin @tinytoydragon @lyskar It seems I'm between 8 and 16 years behind the current fashions and I think I only progress 1 year each 2 years

@faoluin 2022+: Use this <proprietary software> instead of irc that doesn't even match irc's features.
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